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1 John 2:19

Bible verses · Also called: 1 John 2:19, First John 2:19, 1 Jn 2:19, I John 2:19

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The text is the New Korean Revised Version (1998), shown under a licence from the Korean Bible Society. Wording may differ slightly from the Korean Revised Version and the Revised New Korean Standard Version. Read in the Korean Revised Version

First John 2:19 addresses the departure from the community of those called "antichrists," stating that their leaving revealed that they had never been "of us." The verse is frequently cited in debates over the perseverance of the saints and the possibility of apostasy.

Context

First John has traditionally been attributed to the apostle John, although its authorship is debated among scholars. In 2:18–27 the author addresses his readers as "little children" and warns them against the many "antichrists" who have appeared in "the last time."

This verse identifies those antichrists as people who had been within the community and then left it. The verse that follows, 2:22, says that they deny that Jesus is the Christ, and 4:2–3 warns against the spirit that denies that Jesus has come in the flesh. For this reason, many scholars see a division within the community as the background of this verse. In their view, the division was caused by teaching of a Docetic type, which denied that Christ had taken on a real body of flesh.

Interpretations

  • Reformed reading: The Calvinist and Reformed traditions read this verse as one of the grounds for the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. This doctrine teaches that those who are truly saved will persevere in the faith to the end; most Korean Presbyterian churches belong to this tradition. On this reading, those who ultimately depart reveal that they were never true believers.
  • Wesleyan and Arminian reading: Methodist and Holiness churches that follow Wesleyan theology, along with Arminian interpreters, read the verse differently. They hold that it describes a particular separatist group of that time rather than stating a general rule that applies to everyone who leaves. They also argue that it should be read alongside passages such as Hebrews 10:26–31, which warn that believers can fall away from the faith.
  • Historical and pastoral reading: Many commentators regard the verse as pastoral rather than doctrinal. On this view, it was written to explain a division the community had experienced and to reassure the believers who remained. Some interpreters, focusing on the phrase "they would no doubt have continued with us," treat remaining in the apostolic teaching and within the community as a mark of genuine faith.

Debates and Issues

  • Perseverance and apostasy: The point at which these two readings diverge touches on the long-standing debate over assurance of salvation and the possibility of apostasy, and thus on the question of predestination and free will. Views are divided even within denominations outside these two traditions, such as the Baptists.
  • Use out of context: The verse is sometimes invoked to judge church members who have changed churches or left after a conflict, with the claim that they "were never really one of us." Critics point out that the departure described in the text was a separation caused by teaching that denied Christ, so the verse cannot simply be applied to ordinary cases of changing or leaving a church.
  • Translation: The Greek wording at the end of the verse (rendered in the KJV as "they were not all of us") can be read in two ways: "none of them belonged to us" or "not everyone among us truly belongs to us." Commentators are divided on its interpretation. In Korean translations, the meaning also varies slightly depending on the scope of the word da ("all").

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